Saturday, October 06, 2007

The Pot(Buddhism and charvaka)

Sachin: In the class taken by Mr. Tomy he mentioned that Buddhist dont believe in soul and yet they talk of liberation? then what is being liberated ? is that the same as thing which add life to matter as nothingmentioned about in charvaka philosophy..

Hi Sachin,

Lets try to understand this with an example of a pot...

There is a pot(being).

What is it made of?
People will say clay(body)This is materialism.

Doesn't it consist of a cavity(atma,"I")?
A pot consists of clay(body) and space(atma).

Now what does the clay(body) consist?
Atoms(matter)

What do the atoms consist?
Electrons, protons etc...

Isn't most of the part of an atom consist of mere space.

Man has till now united matter and energy, and time and space. It is expected that the theory of everything will unite space and matter too.

Atoms(matter) are space(brahman).
So clay(body) is space(Brahman).
And the cavity(atma) is space(brahman).

So a pot(being) is space(brahman), not clay(body).

Now how do we define space.

Space= Not(Matter)
Matter= Space
So
Space=Not(Space)

What Buddhists say is right. They say there is no "I" so there is no soul.
There is oneness. And the realization that there is no soul, is liberation. Who
realizes? You realize that you don't exist.(Space=Not(Space))

What Charvaka says is completely different.

It says..
Space=0
Matter=1

There is no paradox.

They say, there is an "I". Everything is discrete(four gunas). You are the
body and there is no soul. They don't care about liberation(or else falsify
it.)

So Buddhism and Charvaka are poles apart.

2 comments:

vicky said...

Hi, I was just surfing thru ur blog when I came across this :

Space = Not(Matter)
Matter = Space
So
Space=Not(Space)

Let's analyse the second statement in your logical(?) deduction :

You say :
Matter = Space, and to justify this you say :
Most of the part of an atom consist of space.

Most is not all. Atom has space and it also has matter. The presence of space doesn't exclude the matter, does it?

Your statement would be true if atoms consisted only of space.
They consist of neutrons, protons, electrons etc. and you don't have any evidence that they consist only of space.

So, come up with a better argument.
Cheers.

Prateek Raj said...

In my post I write "It is expected that the theory of everything will unite space and matter too."

From this assumption I continue to say that even electrons protons etc are nothing but space.

The reason I take this assumption is because this is what religions like Hinduism or Buddhism say and that is what science seems to be approaching.

The main purpose is to show how man misses what really exists and sees what is not!